Wednesday, May 27, 2015

psychologically content and physically unsatisfied

It seems to me that the state that I must learn to live in is psychologically content and physically unsatisfied. It is reaching this state and staying in it that is difficult. For the last bit I have been living in a physically satisfied state, and gaining weight. LCHF help, but it is not enough, and the carb cravings are severe.

There is no doubt in my mind that the cravings have some physical cause. I do not know what.

So is there something that kills appetite dead? Vinegar. But can I bring myself to use a vinegar as a mouth wash after meals?

Saturday, May 23, 2015

Food Addiction- Bacteria or yeast

Wheat Belly Dr Davis suggests it is bacteria that produces opioid, or was it splits our the peptide components from the gladin peptide. Or is it yeasts that produces those opioid that we like directly from the sugar. Is that the root cause of sugar addiction? How low do we (I) need to go is sugar to get rid of the cravings?

Tuesday, May 19, 2015

Last on fasting

Fasting is for those who want it. Not for me, beyond missing the odd meal for other reasons.

Saturday, May 16, 2015

intermittent fasting

To make intermittent fasting work, one would need willpower to overcome nature, hunger, and absence of cravings. Hunger, for the first two days may be a problem, especially where food is available and offered. Also, without support, it becomes a singular event, making it even more difficult. With "religious" fasting, is a social event, and that may make it easier.

There are those to who like Fung claim some our experiences are not real.
  • Fasting will overwhelm you with hunger
  • Fasting causes overeating when you resume feeding
Although there may be something to all these benefits of fasting, the doing of it for some of us is not easy, and may not be possible for the human animal.


Thursday, May 14, 2015

Training to fast

Life can be destroyed by too much as well as too little, to paraphrase Epictetus.

day 1 - 1/3 cup oats AM, a bit of hunger, evening burger, spinach salad.
day 2 lunch spinach salad, eggs, not much hunger, evening burger, spinach salad
day 3 late lunch spinach salad, evening burger, spinach salad plus 2 bananas

 day 4 light hunger after noon, 2.30 coconut oil in tea, Blood Glucose at 2.30 PM, fasted 19 hr, 5.0 (80) light hunger, in a could eat to light hunger stage
Supper was out of hand, 2 burgers, spinach, vegs, and then I go into the wife's fruits and cheese.
The hunger would not go away. Satiation never occurs; but it took a lot to where I could stop eating. Once a day is too long of gap.

It is spinach season here, and I have a big patch. Asparagus will be next to come into season. Just a taste today, possible, of asparagus.

I think that the first day, spinach(greens) at lunch with a bit of protein and a evening meal is as low as I can go for now.  Training may take longer at each level.

Note to self:

The Prime Directive applies. The Prime Directive prohibits me from interfering, commenting on, criticizing, condemning the internal actions and beliefs of alien populations, including there foods and eating behaviors. They may believe and do what ever they like, regardless the probability of it's truth or fact.

There have been some that have struggled with there weight, even in Epictetus time. Musonius Rufus, (Epictetus teacher), in several of his surviving lectures, talks about the overeating that was common, and that we needed to watch out for that in our lives. Overeating is a human characteristic in time of excess. We certainly are in one now, in areas where foods are produced. 

PS..... I think Fung should stop using the word cured and start with "in remission".
Clearwater near source

Tuesday, May 12, 2015

Do we need to train ourselves to fast?

My own difficulties might also be improved with fasting according to Fung. So my current question is do many of us need to train ourselves to fast before we become comfortable to do it?

Wells Gray homestead
Bye the way, those are fiddle head ferns past there best by date. The whole fen is just covered with them, from the spring (foreground) to the old cabin. Lovely spot.

Monday, May 11, 2015

Jason Fung Series

Fasting lowers plasma insulin and increases norepinephrine.  
Is that not part of fenphen?

It is likely the high norepinephrine that makes fasting easier to stick to than a reduction diet of say -500 calories. I have always known that for me a deep cut is easier than a shallow cut.

So how much food can one eat and maintain high norepinephrine?

Greens, oil and vinegar with a shake of psyllium for lunch? add 2 eggs.
Greens, oil and vinegar with a shake of psyllium for evening meal, add 100 gm or so of burger.

Does that maintain high norepinephrine ?

Jason notes the myth of self-determination. Diets have a 35 year history unblemished by success.

Snacking is not good.

So cortisol and norepinephrine will both be affected by stress. There is one more maladaptive tie-in. 

Thursday, May 7, 2015

Some on Maladaptive Overeating Behaviors

When we discovered overeating in our youth, we obtained a benefit from overeating. That is why we continued, and the problems developed.

What benefit? Well, if we have anxiety due to being slower than others in school, constantly told to hurry up, belittled by parents, teachers, harassed by other students, we develop anxieties. That is to be expected. Now sugar and starches cause a rise in blood sugar and insulin. These are sedatives, so the excess food takes the edge off life. Is it any doubt that I became addicted to food? And as I used food for relief, I never learned other more reasonable ways of dealing with the abuse.

Learning to deal with abuse is teachable, it can be learned. It is a very useful skill, once we learn. Some use self defacing humor or comments, not the best way I think. Some just walk away, blank the abuser. Some turn to something they are good at, studying something as a method of isolation, reducing the contact with abusive people. Some turn violent, beating on the abusers. Some of us have come to understand the abusers are just assholes, and avoid them.

Some things are up to us and some are not. If I take care of the things that are up to me, it becomes my responsibility to learn to deal with assholes, and to become self-sufficient in this activity. I can use a support group or mentors, live or dead, to figure out what should be done and carry on. The stoics have some good ideas. Ultimately, I have control over my personality, characteristic, and I can choose which characteristics to build and which to leave dormant. I can try to develop understanding of this problem, and ignore the detractors and the miss-informed. I am in control of my own thinking. Some may be right, some wrong, but I can ratchet my way toward the truth, as I test reason and make progress to food sanity. I cannot be returned to something I never had.

So I can go away and live in my head with my thoughts. I need not to be bothered with time pressures, for production, for revenue, for progress, although I am making progress from time to time. It is all about stoic self sufficiency, learning to take responsibility only for those things that are up to me, my desires, efforts, values, and value only virtues, the "goods".

Enough head noise. and a picture

Monday, May 4, 2015

More idiots again

Warning: political incorrect post. If you are easily offended,go away now.

A bait and shoot operation. You did not know how many Islams would attach, zero or a few. Is that what Christianity teaches? 

In Texas, is Muslim baiting a new sport? 

So you agitate against a religion and they strike back. Religions teaches emotional responses to every event. It is not the event that upsets, but rather your thinking about the event. There is not logic in religion. There is not logic in the action of either side here.

What do you expect? You stick a stick into a hornets nest and expect not to get stung?

You religious types are all living in a delusion anyway. Crazies exist. Get used to that. I personally choose my own delusions, as much reason and logic as is possible, making my own decisions based on my own logic, as true to first principals as is possible.  

Ban all religions. You religious folk are just living a delusion that you learned anyway. The high human characteristic is likely reasoning or logic anyway, so why not use a bit more of it?

Picture just because

Friday, May 1, 2015

You cannot treat something you do not understand

Wrong! wrong! wrong!   but who is listening?

Food addiction is not equal to binge eating disorder or to compulsive overeating or to maladaptive overeating behavior. All these are separate from disordered eating. Until I/we/you separate these and treat them separately, failure is assured.

Disordered eating is the result of culture, society, hectic life style; it is putting eating properly to low in your life priorities. It can be the result of lack of food knowledge, or stupid eating philosophies. It is often intentional disruption. It is often the start of other food related problems.

Food addiction is eating as a result of craving, and the cause of the craving is chemicals in the food. The test is remove the food, and the craving goes away. The solution; stop eating those foods, often wheat, sugar, and caloric dense carbohydrates, occasionally nuts and or diary products.

Maladaptive overeating behavior is the craving or hunger is the result of emotional stress, anxiety, boredom, indecision, loneliness, etc. These are the psychological causes group. This can be adrenaline rush re-feed, or adrenal exhaustion, and/or learned behavior. Typically, we need to learn other cooping methods, environmental changes to remove the condition, or learn to deal with the condition other than with food. CBT, REBT, PP, Philosophy, etc. as treatments.

Binge eating disorder is the medical description of overeating. It is often described independent of the cause, and may be anything that matches some form of loss of control of eating. This is why it is so difficult to treat.

Compulsive overeating is the term we use to apply to overeating caused by a craving, often unremitting, cause of craving is unknown. The hunger cycle also occurs, and this can result in confusion. We resist the craving, and become over-hungry, we overeat. The cravings may have some physical, chemical, or receptor cause, but for some are ever present. This we just must learn to live with. Gut mutilation helps some people.

There are numerous other causes and contributing factors. Environment, physical issues, cultural and social, habits, occupation, livelihood, philosophy, can also contribute. In addition, we can have some or all of these groups. The hunger cycle also occurs, and we must eat some.

Picture just because;


Tuesday, April 28, 2015

Habit overeating

There are many causes of overeating.  What I am describing and calling habit overeating is just one of those many causes.

Habit overeating is a group of  behaviors that just go together, where eating is one of those behaviors. We have been trained by society to do these. For example: popcorn and movies, evening TV and snacking, or sports watching and snacking. Baseball and hot dogs, or so I have been told.

Why do I eat two eggs for breakfast, well it is habit; but it is now habit to not eat sugars, most grains, and most starches. I am not ready to totally give rolled oats and potatoes yet. Why do I eat three time a day?

Some habits are part of our automatic response to life and are good. Others have past there usefulness, and I must let go of. When two behaviors are coupled, perhaps both must go.

One of the down side of getting older is our interests change. Yet I still find that I must be interested in doing something to find the motivation to do it, more so that when I was younger. I could force myself to do things I had little interest in doing. Now it is more difficult. Anything that has meaning, value, engagement, aka interest, is not a problem. But with age and loss of interests, the motivation to do, the desire to do, has become weak. I do not have the needs, the objectives if you prefer. Many of my earlier objectives have come to pass or have been abandoned or frustrated. Oh well shit happens, life goes on, and acceptance of the world around us takes place. Interests come and go. There are many things I could do, but none (few) that I want to do. That is the real problem.

Displacement of a habit is one way of change habits.  That is the process of ending a meal, then rushing off to do X, a thing with meaning, interest, engagement, flow, and if fate permits, achievement, satisfaction, stoic joy.

picture just because: (pjb)
Brazeau, perhaps a bit of Photoshop filter Off SE corner of the dam.

Thursday, April 23, 2015

Learning to live craving and/or hungry

After all these years, I am concluding that I must learn to live craving or hungry. This latest try has just created more misery. Buddha said something like "life is suffering" or "life contains suffering". That may be it for some of us. A life of craving and/or hunger. LCHF is just fine but the craving is still there. And now one more chief pusher says if it is not working you must be doing something wrong.   He is selling false hope.  

There are some of us that just suffer from some unknown mental or physical defect or characteristic that leaves us craving and/or hungry.  It seems that I am one.


Wednesday, April 22, 2015

Gut bacteria and overeating

"Researchers in Shanghai studied mice who had been bred to be resistant to obesity. These mice remained slim despite being fed a rich diet and being kept from exercising. However, when some of these mice were injected with the human bacterium enterobacter, they quickly became obese.

Enterobacter was first linked with obesity after being found in high quantities in the gut of a morbidly obese human volunteer, said the report from Shanghai's Jiaotong University.

The mice were injected with the bacterium for up to 10 weeks as part of the experiment.

The experiments show that the bacterium 'may causatively contribute to the development of obesity' in humans, according to the paper published in the International Society for Microbial Ecology."

Anecdotally, a couple of humans loss weight on specific diets that did not feed the bacteria, but there was no total energy input available. So did they lose weight because they ate less by willpower, or limited menu, or because of not feeding bacteria?  

Wiki :

Enterobacter is a genus of common Gram-negative, facultatively anaerobic, rod-shaped, non-spore-forming bacteria of the family Enterobacteriaceae. Several strains of these bacteria are pathogenic and cause opportunistic infections in immunocompromised (usually hospitalized) hosts and in those who are on mechanical ventilation. The urinary and respiratory tracts are the most common sites of infection. The genus Enterobacter is a member of the coliform group of bacteria. It does not belong to the fecal coliforms (or thermotolerant coliforms) group of bacteria, unlike Escherichia coli, because it is incapable of growth at 44.5 °C in the presence of bile salts. Some of them showed quorum sensing properties as reported before [1][2]

So it should not be in the gut anyway, so WTF. More useless information with respect to obesity.

Ultimately, the question becomes if one is able to remove all carbohydrates with a caloric density of say 0.2 K/gm, can I adhere to the eating plan long term and lose weight? It is the adherence that is the problem, along with overeating of meat.

Enough. add picture:

Thursday, April 16, 2015

Happy Bacteria

"So when these bacteria get happy because of the quality and quantity carbohydrate available, these bacteria let loose a few peptides that they have collected up, opioid peptides, dopamine, morphine, whatever, and we like those"


Reference  Fiaf posts.

If a toxo can cause a mouse to commit suicide by cat, I guess perhaps the food driving life force could be controlled by bacteria.

Ah sure, well ok, how do I test that?

So if I never give those bacteria suitable food to collect up peptides, and never eat starches, the bacteria population should drop below some threshold level, and the craving should go away. OK.

So what does that mean.

No sugar, grain, roots, seeds, sugary fruits, dairy, nuts, processed meat beyond ground beef, very few stem.

So that leaves greens, beef, eggs, perhaps a bit of bacon, mushrooms, coconut oil, perhaps a bit of Harvest gold canola oil,

So it is a diet of beef and greens. Two clean weeks try I guess. I wonder how long before I can go two weeks clean?


Picture just because:

Wednesday, April 15, 2015

How big of issue is Bacteria?

How much of cravings that I feel is Bacteria?

Bacteria, Physical, Nutritional, Emotional, are the four areas that K Cann identifies as the cause of cravings. Bacterial is one I have not explored. The premise is that dopamine or opioid are released by the bacteria that digest sugars and starches and that is why these food become hyper-palatable or the cause of us liking them.

Ok, so it can also be physical, that for what ever reason we like them. So if it is bacterial, and we do not eat any of these, that is we starve out the bacteria, we should not crave. But in the past, the cravings have only reduced. Perhaps I need to try cleaner low carb? Is this not the same as trying something and when it does not work, assuming we must be doing something wrong. How is this really different than "Candis overgrowth"? Ok, Candis is a yeast, not a bacteria.

So what evidence is there for bacteria producing opioid that we like? Opioid is a peptide, and it can be split from protein under the right conditions; bacteria plus suitable protein, as in the case of wheat. Perhaps a few others, but it is unlikely to come from carbohydrates. So I call bullshit on that part. I cannot deny the possibility sugars causing the release of morphine like molecules from the gut or bacteria, but proteins are also needed as raw material. I think this is just one more theory. The fact remains that carbohydrate drives insulin production, and insulin is the storage hormone.

It all come back to some things are up to us and some are not. I can choose to eat, or I can choose not to eat.

Enough. A picture just because:
Thanks Tess, I either forgot or never read it.

So the bugs made me do it.

Tuesday, April 14, 2015

More Idiots

So you can criticize but can you offer a cure? No. just more of the same old tired shit.

The diet they are critizing:

Dump sugar
Get enough sleep
Consider modified intermittent fasting (IF)
Exercise different
Up your aminos
Detox- Dump processed food and chemicals

and they pick on...

"go meatless and eliminate alcohol. Get rid of fruit to reset the hunger hormone, leptin. Toss out grains to reset your thyroid, and remove dairy to address your growth hormone levels."

Much of the right advise is for the wrong reasons, as is anyone who just looks at calories, but I do not care anymore.

Getting rid of sugar and processed foods is the best thing we can do for ourselves. An weight loss will make us tired, we will need more that average sleep. Overeating is often driven by stress, so how do we de-stress. Change our attitude, stop caring. Less engagement. Reduce, or let go of our expectations, turn of TV, radio, get off the net, stop being part of society that expects, demands performance. Become a "type B", give stress to others rather than taking on stress. Oh well shit happens. Stop eating for a day or two at days a time. Do something you enjoy that requires energy. Eats lots of meat with real fats, not much starch. How can one not lose weight like that. That leaves veggies and little else.

I grew up among many hogs. Note that pigs, who'd digestive system is much like humans, really like any starch foods. A bit of meat is also just fine for them. Dead horse, dead cow, no pig though. They will go after grain over potatoes long term, but do well on potatoes short term and like potatoes for a change. When I was a kid, there was a big field of potatoes for the extended family. The excess, damaged, knobbly, excess smalls, and massive got dumped to the hogs. They lived of them until they were gone. Note that we can grow much more tonnage of potatoes on land than grains, but potatoes need more care in keeping than grains. Potatoes could be cooked (baked whole), dried and fed year around. But what do I know?

and a picture just because
Meanders a bit, does the Bow. Wide glacial melt water eroded valley. Saskatoon bushes grow along the river in areas, which is what the Plains Cree used for making bows, hence the name.