Tuesday, March 24, 2015

One more cause of overeating

Just because

Overeating is a syndrome, not a disease, which means it is a collection of symptoms.

From http://chriskresser.com/the-modern-lifestyle-a-recipe-for-adrenal-fatigue and it is all one more cause of overeating.

Monday, March 23, 2015

Hunger, Cravings, Desires to eat

No flies, well less, on that one... or mosquitoes either
 Picture just because...

If the blind lead the blind, both will fall in the ditch. 

Some kind of biblical or old literature quote.

Warning: Political Incorrect Post, all Opinion.

This is a restatement of the facts as I understand them. Around the blogs on this list, there are a series of wrong concepts that if I was to believe them, it would drive me back into the food. Studies can be biased to make them appear to something just plain wrong. It is beliefs must be changed to gain psychological repair. Reason can change beliefs. If it does not withstand my history, it is questionable, for I may be a black swan. (to disprove the proposition that all swans are white, look for black swans). I have been on the weight yo-yo for sixty years now, and have collected a bit of knowledge about the problem. We are luck for the last 20 years to have so much unsorted knowledge at our finger tips, some wrong, but mixed in is a bit of right.

Hunger is the body demanding food. Cravings and other forms of the body and/or the mind demanding food are not so well understood or even experienced by some people. Some people just have hunger. Good for them. They do no know the problem of cravings. These are the driving force behind eating disorders, compulsive overeating aka emotional eating, food addiction, obesity, and all that other host of issues that drive overeating. Yes, obesity is a driving force of overeating. Circular feedback in the wrong direction.

Appetite is generated, and we can resist for a while, but eventually the desire wins, until it does not. If we remove the cause, the problem becomes overcoming a habit. That is where diet comes in. Exercise may also have a effect at this point where the desires can be displaced. Exercise uses energy and displaces hunger for a short time, as long as you have the impulse and motivation to exercise. Weight loss is simple in theory; just quit eating. It is the doing that is the problem because the physical, habitual, primal and  unconscious brain functions take over and over ride the rational mind. Salivating in the grocery store is not normal.

First we must recognize that the problem has a cause. That cause is beyond our control, for the most part, it is genetic, and/or chemical, and/or induced chemical, or psychological, which we may be able to alter. We may be able to impact the psychological causes.

Sometimes the driving forces is chemical/biological and can be reduced by the elimination of specific foods, as by removing the fast digesting carbohydrates, sugar, ground grains, processed foods, and well cooked and ground calorie dense carbohydrates. Be aware that some of us may need some carbohydrates, at least to start with. That amount is not fixed, and may be dependent on our stored glycogen level. We can alter what we eat easier that how much we want. Some people, including the government disagree with this HFLC approach, but that is their problem. I cannot respect a government that does not follow reason. But there still remains more problems, in the soft psychological sciences and belief system philosophy areas of life.

It is pointless to having family, medical personnel, and the like chewing on the obese. Most do not understand the problems. It is also pointless to try to correct their illogical ideas. They are not listening. Each specific problem must be addressed with the specific solution required. But these problems are often nested, and may require a chain of solutions, and in specific order. Therein lies the problem, sorting and ordering the solution. Carbohydrate induced cravings do not respond to HFLC diets.

If the problem is boredom no diet will fix it. We may need to make changes to our life, get a life, if necessary. If the problem is anxiety, we need to understand the cause of the anxiety, remove it, or learn to deal with the anxiety. It it is stress, we can remove the stress, or learn other methods of dealing with it. It the problem is environmental, we can change our environment, change conditions within the environment, or learn to deal with it. It we eat in front of the TV, perhaps we need to go off line, or off cable, and get back to reality more.

But what do I know?

Saturday, March 21, 2015

Religion, Positive Psychology and Circular Logic

Wells Gray, 2014

A picture just because:

Warning: A politically incorrect post 

In reading positive psychology, Seligman, and Sonja Lyubomirsky on Happiness, I have become aware of a circular logic in all of this, philosophy, religion, and in eating disorders. It seem to be a variation of similar circular logic effects. How is this possible? and is it real or am I just seeing an illusion? It it me that sees the circular logic, or is it just there. The whole concept need some cleaning and polishing first, so this is a first draft of a nebulous construct.

The steps of this circular logic looks something like this:
Mission, purpose, objective, goal
Belief that it is right to do right (Note, belief, not logic)
Positive Emotion,
Persistence, Enthusiasm
If fate permits, Achievement
Mental joy
and all this feed back into the positive emotion.
Repeated cycling cause habit.

The emphasis is different on each step for each subject in which we cycle. Some subjects have little input from some steps, hence the steps are invisible for that subject.

To demonstrate this cycle lets first look at the Stoic living by virtue is necessary and sufficient for happiness and a flourishing life, along with Musonius " nature has set us a goal of flourishing" We plug the forgoing in as a mission, and believe that it is an appropriate to do this. We then progress down, feeling a positive emotion, motivation, meaning, engagement, action, achievement, mental joy and all that feeds back into the positive emotion of know we were right and thus close the virtue circuit of doing the right thing for the right reasons. This is circular logic at it's finest. Success and piece of mind is assured, once we believe our actions are virtuous. There in lies the problem, we are defining or accepting what is virtuous without testing it. That is creating a smell, like week old fish in my mind.

Religion state what is good and should be done, yet does not provide the backup logic. It is an instruction to follow a plan of some long dead person. Stoicism and Buddhism, at least, provide some logic to verify the correct direction, by stating what our purpose is at least. We are then free to accept, withhold judgement, or decline there fundamental beliefs, one piece at a time. How can we say that it not our nature to flourish in life? The opposite is to die off. we can languish about for a while, but we have a basic instinct at a cellular level to reproduce and survive, aka flourish.

Now the problem I have with religion is obvious, it is not logical, but a non reasoning diction to do something that is not logical, by we a fooled into thinking it is right, as it has been dictated as so by some long dead. It is the whole belief system that is corrupted. Not of just Jew, Christian, Muslim, or the like, but all that depend on beliefs as a foundation of life. It is living based on belief rather than reason is the real problem.

Religion depends on the people believing what is written is right, which, based on the action of the people of religion, especially ISIS, ISIL, is not right. And yet, if they believe it is right, they are right, and are leading a good life. Any reasoning person would need to question their actions. The problem is belief base circular logic, not logic.

So is the food problem the same, overcoming a belief based food plan, rather than following a logic based one? And our inability to develop a new habit to replace the bad ingrained and societal pressured bad habit formed in childhood and practiced in adulthood of high carbohydrate diets. How does one replace a resistant to change habit? Against the current of family?

The world has more people in areas that it can support. One solution is to eat carbohydrates and die off early, while providing employment through the medical industry. Or eat carbohydrate and die off from probable glyphosate induced cancers or metabolic syndrome? Anyone for the China one child policy.


Thursday, March 12, 2015

If I don't care, it don't matter

only 2 and 1/2 months to spring here
I am in the process of reading Sonja Lyubomirsky's book(s). I was led to them through Positive Psychology stuff, and that is all tied together.  Emphasis is different, but the subject is he same, and the language is different.

It is as tied together as Stoicism and Buddhism, possibly through Darius the Great, as his gold coins (daric(s)) have been found in Asia, and Africa, and the Zoroastrian like concepts abound in both areas. More of the same subject and different emphasis, different language.

It all comes down to; if I do not care, it does not matter, thinking makes it so, some things are up to me and some are not, I can only change me, bad feelings are internally caused as are good, and a few other one line concepts fleshed out differently.  Oh well. Life goes on until it does not.

All this has nothing to do with food or does it have everything to do with the desire to eat? Is the desire to eat driven be a mental issue that can be changed by thinking differently? Could it be that simple? There is not a way to recovery, recover is the way, whatever that means.

Tuesday, March 3, 2015

Pathological Desire for Food

Frost Jacking CC in front step of a condo
It is an ongoing problem that is not understood by many. It is often experienced, and seldom recognized. For those of us who have it, is a bitch of a problem. There is no available solution, only maintenance. If we take a surgical cure, we still may have a slightly different version of the same problem. What am I talking about, this cc or overeating? It could go either way.

Yoni's post http://www.weightymatters.ca/2015/03/why-you-should-aim-to-be-diligent-not.html kinda shows how much the medical community understands about the issue. Overeating is a ongoing problem. We go on a diet. We lose weight. The diet ends. We start gaining. The problem that caused overeating remains, unidentified, unaddressed. Somehow we found overeating gives us some kind of relief, we internalized that reaction or relief. High blood glucose and/or high insulin or a gut full of food is a relaxant. That is a partial solution to stress/anxiety/emotional upset, and becomes a maladaptive behavior.

Pathological desire to eat or for foods result in a food addiction or addiction like cravings. The only solution that I have found is complete abstinence from those foods. If anyone has other solutions, please advise. If the craving is present, overeating will occur. Will power has an short life against a physical drive. Not eating with cravings is trying to fight nature. How long can you tread water?

Still some medical asshole insists on moderation, and offers nothing for the cravings. He seems to be unaware of those cravings, which is likely the cause of most of the obesity we see today, not hunger. The hunger is due to processing and the speed that processed food can be digested and stored, leaving us hungry. For those also, the only solution is abstinence of processed fast digesting hyperpalitable foods. This is a addiction like issue. Replacement of fast digesting food with slow digesting food removes hunger as a driving force. See The Burn Rate Diet, Dr. S.R. Van Schoyck for more information. The Paleo does that. LCHF also. or 19th Century. Banting. Etc. 

But what do I know? I have only been digging into this overeating problem in a serious way since 2008, and have been living deep cycle gain and loss since 1955, when I started school. Anxiety is a bitch. Expectations cannot be lived up to, when the success are not recognized, but the goal posts moved, or placed beyond reach once in a while. I cannot set goals, compete or have expectations of myself else the anxiety gets ugly.


Monday, March 2, 2015

Pathological Foods

Divi divi tree, well sort of, Windy Point, and sand scour
Are there foods that act as pathological desire triggers? These would be like Kessler's hyper palitable foods, but that are not that great tasting, only with addiction like symptoms of causing the desire to eat more of them.

Pathological because eating them is not good for this human.

Desire, because I have been thus far unwilling to give them up.

The lowly potatoes. They are a economical food. I grow them, as my ancestors have for more than 500 years. It feels like an betrayal of my ancestors to give them up. But then some days, for days at a time, they do not call to me. Other days, oh my god. If there was a god, I might be offended with that. It shows how deep religion is buried into our language and speech. It is a pathological desire. They must go.


Monday, February 23, 2015

And when the diet ends....

and you cut a thin figure
Well not quite right but you might get the picture...   Then what?

The typical response is we stop exercising all that will power and go back toward what we were before.

But if the same problem that caused the overeating is there still, the weight goes back on. So if it is addiction or addiction like issue, and you (I) never again eat those foods I should be OK, right? Even if those foods are dense carbohydrates, O6 oils, and other processed carbage?

But what if it was also a maladaptive issue that has not been addressed? I would expect the weight to come back on. The other problem(s) has not yet been fixed. It has started to. Now I need to get rid of all potential underlying psychological issues. Anxiety, need some form of treatment. Habit needs another. Stress is different from anxiety. Boredom need activity that produce, for me, a positive emotion from the start, has meaning, interest, engagement, commitment, and if fate permits, achievement, satisfaction, mental joy. You might realize that, unless the original problem is dealt with, the weight will come back.

Now how does one figure out what the problem is and how to fix that problem? Self examination may lead to the cause or not. Do we understand the difference between boredom, aka lack of desire to do something unknown, or something we are not keen on doing, just for the sake of doing it for something to do, and how that is different from frustration of not being understood by other people? What is obvious to me is not obvious to others. Do you expect me to explain the obvious? Frustration, isolation, disinterest in what other people are interested in are all drivers of potential stresses, but the treatment cannot be the same. It will require deep analysis of our past and present, and a search for understanding of each separate cause and cure/treatment.

Or how about the stewing over doing something that we are expected to do, and we do not know how to do it and there is no available help? It got dumped on me because I solved the last one, and the one before that, and the one before that, and the one before that, infinitude back to graduation or shortly after that. Being able to solve engineering puzzles does not mean we can live on a steady diet of them without stress.   

I am happy for all yous who have found a solution, but I have not, yet anyway. Parts but not the whole.


Friday, February 20, 2015

Ratcheting Forward

Sunburst of a 38 C
Religious institutions tend to ossify beliefs. The better practice would be to continually ratchet toward a better belief system.

When we look at the development of any 'engineered' product, they keep improving one part at a time until the demand dies off or perfection is reached, that is the product exceeds our needs and wants. We can see it in the steam engines, but they died off about this time. The last one that I know of was the Kitten, which ended production in 1942. Most of the others ended in the 30's, when gas took over in a big way. Grandpaw almost lost the farm over a 1929 McCormick 15-30. Anyways, the concept is fairly straight forward, keep examining and improving my belief system, until I either die off, or arrive at a serene and tranquil state of 'enlightenment' or awakening or what ever.

Yet it is straight forward to see that living virtuously, if I could, would be necessary and sufficient to have a 'good life' in Stoic terms. That is to say any life lived honestly, prudence to do right, temperance, justice, persistence and courage, compassion for self and others, would be a good life. OK. Temperance, with respect to food intake, is the tough one for me. Temperance with respect to work and life balance is also a tough one. Something about being trained into that Protestant work ethic, putting work before other things, was an issue. Not now, with retirement. But without work, there is anxiety, which is actually worse for temperance. Perhaps it is time to schedule myself some work at home. There is a lot that I could do, if I had the motivation to do it.

The Stoics say virtue is necessary and sufficient as the minimum. Once we understand and accept the minimum, everything else is just gravy, unnecessary but nice. God was nature and rational thought, death was final.  Epicurus one one step further in simplification and suggested that family, commerce, wealth and politics have great potential to add stress and can be avoided to make life simpler. The ideal occupation is farmer/gardener. They add friendship and pleasure, gratitude for the essentials for life level of pleasure as a satisfying way of life. Garden with a few goats and/or sheep for close, cheese and milk, self sufficiency of the group farm one could say. There was no god, no afterlife. Death was final, as it is. Minimal reality at it's finest, as long as you can be content with that.  The Cynics went further and eliminated most other comforts and everything but the necessaries of life, live raw in public space, off what they could gather, beg, or were given. Theft was not an option for them, virtue was paramount. It would be much easier to live like that where nobody had much, as where I was raised.

Death is final. I can see the appeal of  death defying religions who promote an afterlife and reward in that life. The current life does not matter, it is all about the reward after death. To bad it is not real. All we get is this one, and we need to learn to deal with suffering, physical and mostly mental/emotional. We need to bring our expectations, delusions of what life should be, our aversions, and desire in line with reality and start to live right knowledge, right intention, speech, action, livelihood, effort, attention, concentration. The virtues, in Buddhist terms.

So, with broad strokes, this is the way of the ratchet, or the magpie picking up the shine bits and moving on. My real problem is this underlying anxiety that I feel, which can easily be removed with work, Phen-Fen, alcohol, high blood glucose/ high insulin, nicotine, and other things.



Thursday, February 19, 2015

Pithy Bunch

In the last few weeks I have encountered a bunch of pithy little statements from about and I am posting them here for the record.
but do not taste good
Bunch Berry, pithy. Not poisonous but does not taste good.

There is no recovery from obesity, only remission of active obesity.

You cannot convince someone of something against their will.

Religious institutions tend to ossify beliefs. The better practice would be to continually ratchet toward a better belief system.

We need to understand all of the advantages and drawbacks from a belief or group of beliefs before we decide to adopt them or reject them. Beliefs are often like virtues, they have two opposites. Both ends are less than ideal.

It is not necessary to show up to all the arguments you are invited to.

It is about living the philosophy. The simpler our lives, the easier it is to live our philosophy. Moderation and frugality lead to minimization.

Stoic statement: The only true good with respect to 'living a good life' is virtue. The ultimate aim is to live virtuously. Living by virtue is necessary and sufficient to live a good life. All the indifferents just make living by virtues more difficult, or not, but they are indifferents.

 Enough pith.

Friday, February 13, 2015


Is there something philosophical wrong with being overweight and wanting to and eating ice cream, and liking it at the same time? 

It seems to be cognitive dissonance to me. Likewise does Atkins. We should have all the fat we need, so why eat fat rather than fast as long as I can, and then eat potatoes, dry? 

Tuesday, February 10, 2015

And more besides


And there is likely a fourth group where the food is stimulating the appetite.


And there is a fifth group, those who have a physical high appetite, for any physical cause, often unidentified.

but what do I know.

Tuesday, February 3, 2015

Subject of the day.

unrelated:  Wells Gray



Who do we trust? and why?

Well if it works... there is something to it.

We have control over our beliefs. Philosophy allows us to lay out our beliefs, one at a time and look at them, in the cold reality of daylight. Our beliefs program our automatic responses.

First it was religions that we need to get clear of.

Now some science. Science contains frauds. Keys. Fats are the cause of CVD. Satins to keep cholesterol low prevent CVD. Eat carbohydrates and cover the use with more insulin. Milk is needed. Healthy Whole grains. Fertilizer make the crops grow better (but without the seed containing as many nutrients. carb/nutrient ration went up by two). Etc. Etc. Etc.

So who are you gonna believe?  Does it withstand the acid test of reality and actually work over time?

Monday, January 26, 2015


Does a feeling of anxiety cover the feeling of satiation? Satiation is a soft signal, so does the feeling of anxiety drown out the signal? We also know there is a cortisol ghrelin link which should drive hunger.

So what is the cause? Could there be a belief that is the cause of anxiety? I was raised with unattainable by me expectations placed on me by my parents. The goal post kept changing, always out of range. This created anxiety, which I took over keeping on myself. Trained in anxiety. Abandon the belief that I should strive for anything, and the anxiety should go away.

Sunday, January 18, 2015

No Fat Added

Just  mountain goat near Jasper, roadside at Goat Point. That is a federal goat, about 1000 year for harvesting him.

There is no consensus on added fat in the LCHF community, or on the amount of food required. They refuse to use calories as a measure of food quantity. So those of us with high appetites gain weight at "eat to satiety". What is a person to do?

Ignore the advise is one possible choices. Or perhaps follow Zoe Harcombe, never mix carbohydrates and fats. Or perhaps just no added fat (naf). It needs to be tested.

Now that I have been out for ribs and a potato with butter, I think the plan is only workable at home. Since I am not a real diabetic yet, i have more wiggle room. I am thinking eggs and something for breakfast, a veg lunch (naf), perhaps a second veg late afternoon (naf), and a normal meat dish and greens (naf) in the evening. The (naf) has two effects, it greatly reduces palatability and calories. Dry vegetable are quiet good at killing hunger, as long as there is nothing else available.


Saturday, January 17, 2015

Uncovering hidden meaning

Warning! DIY psychology. Thanks Val.

Windy Point, above Bighorn Dam, West of Rocky Mountain house, looking northeast downwind. No purpose, no hidden meaning, just a nice day last Sept 2014.

For the last 40 years I have been taking pictures. What am I going to do with them? Back in the day, anyone came over, I had captive audience for a slide show. Some stayed away because I would "make them watch slides". How rude of me. Not no more. We have a friend who puts a "slide show on his TV". We all watch. Ken likes to Photoshop everything. You don't like that wire,... gone, that sign, ... gone, that haze, not bright enough, no detail in the shadows, color is off, ... all fixed.  Oh well. Some people like slide shows, other do not, so what? As a kid, they were often good local entertainment at my grandparents house. But we were visually starved for entertainment, no TV, no movies, not much for radio. National Geographic was a big hit also for a "foreign publication".  Now we are drowning in stimulation. Too much, just too much. Not enough mental stimulation though.

But back to the subject. As I have alluded, this eating problem has many different faces. It is as much psychological as physical, philosophical, chemical, environmental or emotional. The psychologist do not know how to fix it either. Everybody is pointing fingers at something else. We have done everything right, it must be the client. He is non-compliment. And yet we look at all those obese people who have made an effort to learn to eat right and are unable to keep the weight off. There is something wrong somewhere.

We have found wheat and dairy product to be appetite stimulus. Everything that tastes good is an appetite stimulus, a hyper-palatable food, even steaks. It become a necessity for some of us to live hungry. There is no other choice, hungry, craving, desiring, -not satisfied - whatever. With all those negatives the Losada ratio is shot for sure. (Discredited, yes, the data does not support 5 significant figures, but the concept is about right.) Anything not 3 positives to one negative is just too negative. But what is the fix? Boring food, OK. But everything I cook tastes good. Life is a bitch. The other choice is to eat and grow fat again. There is a procedure that chemical cauterizes the blood supply to the ghrelin producing region of the stomach. But would that work?

It should not be necessary to mutilate the body to live at a normal size. This just does not seem right. Perhaps I will try steamed vegetables rather than microwaved.